Mo' Money Podcast

Millennial money expert, Accredited Financial Counsellor Canada® and podcast host Jessica Moorhouse interviews top personal finance & business experts (John Lee Dumas, Chris Guillebeau, Bruce Sellery, Preet Banerjee), celebrities (Perez Hilton, Scott McGillivray, Farrah Abraham), as well as inspirational entrepreneurs, authors, bloggers, friends and family to help you learn how to manage your money better, make smarter choices, earn more money, become debt-free and live a more fulfilled and balanced life. New episodes air every Wednesday. For helpful resources, blog posts and podcast episode show notes, visit To enquire about being a guest on a future episode, visit
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Mar 7, 2018

Your path may not be to quit city living and move to the woods, but that's not what Liz's (a.k.a. Mrs. Frugalwoods) story is about. In her new book, Meet the Frugalwoods, she shares how defining your life can help lead you to your best life, whether that’s living simply in the country, living it up in the city, or being nomadic and travelling the world. Not matter what path you end up on, the most important things to always remember is being true to yourself and making sure you’re living a life with more intention.

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Joining me again on the podcast, and now no longer an anonymous blogger at Frugalwoods, Elizabeth Willard Thames is the newly published other of Meet the Frugalwoods. Not a “how-to” book on living that frugal life or reaching financial independence, but her personal story of how she was trying to check-off life’s checklist only to realize, that checklist wasn’t making her happy and didn’t align with her values anyway.

I’m pretty sure most of us can identify with this. How many of us have been checking off things throughout our lives without really taking some time to think about whether what we’re doing or achieving is actually making us happy or bringing us fulfillment? I know I was doing that exact thing up until a year ago. I got my degree (check!), got married (check!), got a corporate job in Toronto’s financial district (check!), and by anyone’s standards was “making it.” But it didn’t feel like that to me, which is why I did a crazy thing and quit my job to work for myself.

That’s why I totally get Liz’s story in her book. I can relate to it on such a personal level. Heck, I even fantasize about moving to the country (in the Maritimes) with my husband in the next few years. Now, I’m not sure if that’ll actually happen, but I am definitely taking a page out of Liz’s book by trying to be more intentional with my life and also practicing sustainable frugality. To me, that means spending my money on stuff that brings value to my life, and not spending money on stuff that doesn’t. Also being strategic so I can maximize my dollars so there’s more money to save and invest for my future.

To me, this book was a great in-depth look into someone’s personal finance journey. I really loved this book, and I hope you do too!

Check Out Liz’s Top Blog Posts

Buy & Review Meet the Frugalwoods

For full episode show notes, visit

Feb 28, 2018

You take so much care and consideration at your day job, why aren't you doing the same with your financial life? I chat with early retiree & big-time blogger about why everyone should be the CFO of their life.

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In the personal finance blogging community. J.D. Roth is considered a very big deal. He started his blog, Get Rich Slowly, early on, became one of the go-to resources for personal finance information, and he was able to sell it for I believe 7-figures, helping reach his goal of early retirement. And during his early retirement, he started a second blog focused more on being the CFO of your life called Money Boss, which also took off and was always nominated for Plutus Awards at FinCon every year.

Well, at a certain point, J.D. realized he wanted his original blog back. Since he was in the financial situation to afford it, in the fall of 2017 he bought it back and now he’s back at it (and I’m loving it!).

So, that’s a little bit of what we talked about this episode, but we also dive deep into getting your financial life in order, taking your finances seriously (as seriously you would a high-powered job in a big corporation), and what steps you need to take to reach financial independence like he was able to.

If this episode won’t inspire you to get out of debt and start investing for your future, I don’t know what will!

Check Out J.D.’s Recent Blog Posts

Follow J.D. on Social

For full episode show notes, visit

Feb 22, 2018

Do you know the difference between open-loop and closed-loop prepaid cards? Learn that & more in my interview with CPPO chair David Eason.

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Back in October 2017, I did a really crazy thing. I participated in the Money 20/20 Payments Race and it truly was an adventure I’ll never forget. The best part was being able to meet so many amazing people, and one of those people was a woman named Heidi who works for an agency that represents the Canadian Prepaid Providers Organization (CPPO). She was nice enough to offer me a free night’s stay in her home when I was in Denver, and to say thank you, I said I would gladly interview an expert from CPPO to talk about prepaid cards. I mean honestly, I think I won all around because I haven’t done an episode about prepaid cards and I actually really wanted to learn more about them from none other than David Eason, the chair of CPPO.

Here are some of the things we talked about in the episode, and don’t forget to watch my entire Money 20/20 Payments Race vlog series!

What is CPPO?

CPPO stands for the Canadian Prepaid Providers Organization, which is a “not-for-profit organization and the collective voice of the open-loop prepaid payments industry in Canada. It is the only association solely focused on this growing industry and includes the major players in open-loop prepaid in Canada.”

Open-Loop vs. Closed-Loop

Having been blogging about personal finance for over 6 years, sometimes I feel like I’ve heard about it all, but apparently not! I had no idea that open-loop and closed-loop cards until recently. But don’t feel bad if you didn’t know what they were either. They are really terms that only people in the prepaid card industry use.

So, what do they mean? It’s very simple. An open-loop prepaid card is either a Visa, Mastercard or AMEX prepaid card. It’s “open-loop” because it’s technically open to use at almost any retailer, as long as that retailer accepts credit cards for payment. A closed-loop prepaid card is a retailer-specific prepaid card, like a Home Depot gift card or a Shoppers Drug Mart credit card. The reason being is that they are comparatively “closed” because you can only use that card at that specific retailer.

You Cannot Build Credit with a Prepaid Card

One reason why the prepaid industry is trying to educate people about prepaid cards, and have moved away from calling open-loop cards “prepaid credit cards” is because they have nothing to do with credit. Open-loop cards work a lot like credit cards, but they will do nothing to help you build up a good credit history or rating.

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Feb 21, 2018

Don’t think you can afford to live a life you’ve designed yourself? Think again! Pete McPherson from Do You Even Blog shares how he risked it all to live a life with more meaning.

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As I mentioned at the beginning of this episode, I ended up randomly meeting Pete McPherson from Do You Even Blog at a party at FinCon this past October. I liked him right away. He was so friendly, funny and full of energy. So when he non-pitched me to be a guest on my show, I couldn’t resist! And what’s even better, I was a guest on his show, the Do You Even Blog Podcast (listen to my episode here).

In this episode, we talk about how Pete made the risky move of leaving his cushy corporate job to do something crazy and start his own online business. Now, you may be thinking, why did he do this? Especially when he has a family? Well, it really came down to him wanting to start living a life that had more purpose and that he designed himself. Up until he made that change in his life, he felt like he was making choices based on what he thought he was supposed to do, not what he wanted to do. And because of that, he felt unfulfilled. Money really doesn’t buy you happiness. It’s a tool, and it’s up to you to use it the way you want. You can either earn money doing something you don’t really like, and then spend that money on stuff you think will make you happy (even if for a limited time). Or, you can take the risk to do something else, earn less, but spend the money you do earn to live a life that’s more intentional.

This idea of intentional living and designing your own life has become a bit of a theme on the podcast, and I think for good reason. The more millennials I talk to, the more I see a big shift happening. We’re realizing that the dream of a white picket fence, two cars and a stable job just isn’t cutting it anymore. We want more. And not more stuff, more out of life.

As Pete mentioned, he has made some special videos for all my listeners at, so make sure to check them out. We also mentioned Smarter Queue as our new favourite (and cheap!) social media scheduler, so if you’d like to try out a free 30-day trial on me, click here.

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Feb 15, 2018

For this Listener Series episode, I'm joined once again by past guest Lindsay VanSomeren, also a blogger at Notorious D.E.B.T. Last time we talked she was about to finally get rid of her home from hell. But catching up, that's not exactly what happened (though there is a happy ending!).

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For my first "Where Are they Now?" Listener Series episode, I check back with Lindsay VanSomeren who was one of my first Listener Series guests. Lindsay, who also blogs at Notorious D.E.B.T., was featured on episode 57, and shared how her and her husband bought their first home in Alaska together but had nothing but trouble with it. You see, it was built on a foundation of permafrost and they had to shell out $30,000 in repairs (that they couldn't afford). Literally pretty much the same storyline as the movie The Money Pit.

We ended off that episode with some good news though, because she had just received two offers buy the house. One of those offers would help them say goodbye to the home from hell, and stop getting into more and more debt so they could move on with their lives.

Unfortunately, both of those offers fell through. So, they had to make some tough decisions. Either hang on to the home and continue to get into debt, or get some help. They chose the latter and contacted a credit counsellor to weigh their options. In the end, they decided to go with a deed in lieu of foreclosure.

Once that was taken care of, they decided to move to Colorado for a fresh start. And now Lindsay is making a full-time living as a freelance writer, her husband is back in school, and they are slowly but surely building up their credit and saving up a downpayment for their next home in the future.

I'm so glad Lindsay was able to share this update, because I think her story is fairly common. It started out with buying a property they thought was great, and taking advantage of a special Veterans loan program they also thought was great. But in the end, the property was not what they thought and a program that let's you buy a home with no money down can also have dangerous consequences.

Luckily Lindsay and her husband have moved on, learned from their mistakes, and are on a better path now. So hopefully the lesson from this episode is that even if you feel like you are in an impossible financial situation, there is always a way out. There is a solution for every financial problem out there, but sometimes it means reaching out for help.

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Feb 14, 2018

How can a year of less change your life? Just listen to my episode with The Year of Less author Cait Flanders to learn how a shopping ban, getting rid of most of her belongings & being more mindful with her money helped her regain focus and control of her present and future.

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She was my first ever guest (excluding my husband) on the podcast when I launched it almost 3 years ago, and now my friend and blogger pal Cait Flanders is back to chat about what has happened since Episode 3 of the podcast.

Well, a lot! For starters, she’s a full on author now, having just published her first book The Year of Less. And she’s not just a first-time author, her book is a hit. As she mentions in the episode, it’s still hard to find a copy at most book stores because they ran out of copies, so if you do still want to buy a copy, check Amazon first.

When we sat down for Episode 3 of the show, Cait was just about to finish her one-year shopping ban. I still remember her sharing that she wasn’t sure what to do after it finished. She eventually decided to continue it for another year, and although now she’s no longer on a shopping ban, she’s integrated the lessons she learned into her daily life.

The biggest lessons being to be more mindful when it comes to spending. It’s okay to spend money, but it’s about being more intentional with our spending and making sure we are spending money in alignment with our values that’s important. And when you do that, you’ll find that you can stick to a budget, you aren’t overspending as often (or anymore), and you don’t worry as much about your money.

This is a big lesson I also took away from her book and something I’ve been actively trying to integrate into my own life.

In this episode we also dive into other stories she shares in the book beyond the shopping ban, such as addiction and indulgence. Cait is now sober, but she used to have a problem with drinking, something she eventually realized was something she would do to fill a void or overcome other struggles in her life. It’s something I can relate to in that I definitely turn to certain things, like food or wine or even spending, to either deal with stress, unhappiness or hardship.

If you haven’t already grabbed your copy of the book, I highly recommend. And like I mentioned in the episode, I’m not recommending it because Cait’s my friend, I’m recommending it because it’s really good! I literally whipped through it in a day (no lie!), and I can’t stop thinking about it or telling other friends about it.

Feb 7, 2018

It's not easy to become a professional beauty blogger, but it's not impossible. And it doesn't mean you have to spend all of your money on beauty products to do it. Just take it from Jessica Desjardins, the founder of popular beauty website Beautezine.

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I’ve always been fascinated by beauty bloggers and vloggers, and not just because I have no clue how they transform their faces into beautiful masterpieces (and I can barely do my own mascara without smudging), but because the beauty space is so competitive! Believe me, every time I meet a new hair stylist or makeup artist, they usually share that they have their own blog or YouTube channel. I sometimes find it competitive in the personal finance community, I couldn’t imagine trying to build an online business in the beauty industry.

But, there are people out there like Jessica Desjardins, founder of Beautezine, who are proof that it is in fact possible to make a good living and have a broad reach as a full-time beauty blogger and content creator. You just have to be really good at it, and hustle until you make a name for yourself. And that’s exactly what Jessica did.

Before quitting her job to focus on her online business full-time, she was actually headed to medical school to pursue a career as a doctor (no joke, she went so far as to do the MCAT). But at a certain point in her studies, she realized that her true passion was beauty, and instead of always wondering “What if?”, she decided to take a big leap of faith and start her own online beauty magazine called Beautezine. It took her 6 years to make it the go-to beauty resource for Canadians, but now she’s able to do what she loves and be her own boss.

In this episode, we chat about how she was able to build her business into what it is today, how she manages her business finances and personal finances, and why no matter what she puts a high priority on staying out of debt and investing for her future.

Top Posts You’ll Want to Check Out on Beautezine

Learn More About Jessica & Beautezine

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Feb 1, 2018

Ever dreamed of becoming a digital nomad, able to work from anywhere and travel on your off time? That’s what my listener Grace was able to do, and she explains how in this Listener Series episode.

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One of my big aspirations in life is to become completely location independent and to travel abroad more. So when my next guest, podcast listener Grace (who also runs the blog Gracefully Expat) emailed me about being on the show, I knew I needed to talk to her to find out how she was able to leave Canada, set up shop in Ireland and run her own business.

What’s funny is Grace is also from Vancouver (like me), but she didn’t move to Ireland directly. She first went to the US for university, then when she got a job opportunity that would take her to Ireland, she lept at the chance to live somewhere new. After a few years working the corporate life, Grace starting making plans to leave and start her own online business as a tax consultant for expats like herself.

Now, she’s living it up, able to explore the rest of Europe quite easily since it’s so close, and live that digital nomad life like I, and so many of us dream of. It just goes to show, becoming location independent doesn’t mean you have to become an Instagram star or a famous beauty YouTuber. You can do a number of things as a business that don’t require you to have an office, like a tax consultant for instance.

My dream is that within 5 years I’ll be able to have enough saved up and a business that earns enough passive income that I can focus my efforts on developing more content, create more online courses and do financial counselling from anywhere in the world. I’ve got a lot of work ahead of me, but if Grace can do it, why not me (or you!).

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Jan 31, 2018

Have you heard of the FIRE movement before? In this episode I chat with Bob Lai from Tawcan about what it means to be financially independent and how make an investment strategy to get there.

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For anyone who wanted a deep look into the FIRE movement, and to get the low down on how to become financially independent, this is an episode you are gonna love! I chat with Bob Lai, the blogger behind Tawcan, about his plans to reach financial independence while being a single-income family with his wife and two kids.

He even shares what his personal investment strategy looks like: a mixture of dividend paying stocks (a.k.a. blue-chip stocks), index ETFs, and a small percentage of growth stocks.

Now, if you’re just getting started with your investment journey, before getting into DIY investing like Bob, a good place to start is by investing in index mutual funds, like the portfolios that Tangerine offers. It’s actually what I started investing with, as they track the index and charge way lower MERs than the big banks.

Financial Independence vs. Financial Freedom

Most people use these two terms interchangeably, I’ve even been guilty of it. But talking to Bob, I learned that they actually mean to very different things.

Financial independence is when your passive income exceeds your expenses. Many people believe the magic number is to have 25 times your living expenses saved up through savings and investments. Or if you’re more conservative, 33 times your living expenses.

Financial freedom on the other hand is a relatively loose term, but generally speaking mean that you’ve accumulated so much wealth that you don’t even have to worry about or rely on your passive income.

Happiness vs. Joy

Another concept we talked about was the difference between happiness and joy, and balancing the two. You see, happiness is externally driven and has an expiry date. For instance, when you get a raise or buy something you’ve been saving up for. Both of those things would make you happy, for a time, and then it would dissipate.

Joy is internally driven, and is the feeling of being at peace. It’s also less fleeting than happiness, and usually comes about from fulfilling experiences and being around your loved ones.

A big part of the FIRE movement is about focusing on joy instead of happiness. Also, joy doesn’t cost as much as happiness (if we’re talking about happiness through buying goods), so the more you focus on joy, the more money you’ll be able to save to reach your goal of financial independence.

Stocks that Pay Dividends vs. Stocks that Don’t

Not all stocks are the same. Some pay dividends, some don’t. The companies that don’t pay dividends (ie. Facebook) are the ones that are still in a growth stage. Instead of paying dividends to their shareholders, they reinvest their profits to continue to grow the company.

Companies that do pay dividends are companies that are already so big (Proctor & Gamble, Johnson & Johnson), that they don’t need to reinvest all of the profits for further growth, so they share their profits with their shareholders (also making those shares more lucrative to potential stock buyers).

Bob’s Top Blog Posts You’ll Want to Read

Learn More About Bob Lai (Tawcan)

For full episode show notes, visit

Jan 25, 2018

Looking for some inspiration to get your spending under control? There's no better time than the present to try something new, like a no spend challenge. That's why I'm chatting with two of my podcast listeners for this episode, so they can share their experience and tips on how to save money and conquer their bad spending habits by doing a no spend challenge.

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For my first Listener Series episode for Season 6, I've got not one, but two podcast listeners on the show to share their experience and tips for doing a no spend challenge. Michaela and Dan are a couple, engaged and saving up for their wedding, and they got the idea to try out a no spend challenge by seeing someone do something similar on Instagram. Feeling like they never truly knew where they money was going, they embarked on this no spend challenge that would mean they could only spend money on their essentials, and try to live as frugally as possible.

Their hope was that it would help them reign in their spending and focus their spending on this that really mattered to them in life. They also wanted to stop the endless cycle of consumerism that so many of us or on (and feel like we can't get off). Well, they successfully did the challenge for a month, and now have continued to practice living below their means, saving the extra income, and just living a life that's not as focused on spending and buying new stuff.

After talking with them, it definitely inspired me to reign in my own personal spending and do my own version of a no spend month. For all of January, my husband and I have been making all of our meals at home (save for one lunch that cost us $30) and have not bought any alcohol (though I did buy one beer with a friend, but I'd made those plans back in December!). Like Michaela and Dan, we realized that not spending all of our money on going out to eat or buying beer and wine for our home like we regularly do, hasn't actually affected our happiness at all. Instead, we replaced those two big spending habits with other things, like cooking healthy meals at home, and swapping alcohol for lemon water, tea or coffee.

If you want to embark on something similar, I highly recommend doing a no spend challenge or your own, or signing up to my free Rich & Fit Detox. It's a free 5-day email challenge that shows you how to do a health detox, practice self-care, stop mindless spending and declutter your home.

For full episode show notes, visit

Jan 24, 2018

Yes, you can bounce back from bankruptcy. More than that, you can take it as an opportunity to get your financial life together, never get in debt again, launch a successful business and be on your way to financial independence. Don't believe me? Well, just take it from my guest Perez Hilton, the go-to celebrity blogger who has created an empire for himself as an actor, author, blogger, podcaster, reality star & more.

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I can’t even believe this is really life right now, because somehow I was able to get the one-and-only Perez Hilton to chat with me on the podcast!

Many of you may already know this about me, but I am a total celebrity news junkie. I know it’s silly, but I think I just like the fantasy of it all. Plus, that life is just so far removed from my own, it’s kind of like watching an episode Teen Mom. It’s fascinating and entertaining, but I’m really glad that it’s not my own reality.

With that said, I’ve been a long-time reader of, going back probably when he started his blog back in 2005. I’m not lying when I say I’ve gotten into a routine of checking his website at least once per day, which is how I discovered his video about filing for bankruptcy when he was younger. I couldn’t believe he, a celebrity blogger, also had a personal finance story to tell, and I wanted to know more!

So, after watching his video, I tweeted at him saying I’d love to have him on my podcast, and to my delight, he said yes! And within a week, I had a recording of our interview together and could not wait to share it with you for Season 6 of the Mo’ Money Podcast!

In our interview together, we talk about it all. His money mistakes, the lessons he’s learned, how he hopes to achieve financial independence through passive income streams and real estate investing, and what he’s going to teach his kids about money when they grow up.

I hope you love this episode as much as I do, because it really was so much fun to record! Thanks a million Perez for taking the time out of your crazy busy schedule to talk money with me, I’ll never forget it!

Check Out Perez Hilton

Follow Perez Hilton on Social

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Jan 17, 2018

For my first episode of SSN 6 of the Mo' Money Podcast, I interview well-known Canadian radio personality Buzz Bishop about DadCamp & how he teaches his kids about being responsible with money.

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It’s the start of a new season for the Mo’ Money Podcast (Season 6 to be specific), and I have got quite the line-up of guests for you, let me tell ya!

And similar to last year, this season definitely has a theme. Well, two themes really: financial independence and women authors. For this first episode of Season 6, we’re gonna start with the financial independence theme, since I interview well-known radio personality and influencer Buzz Bishop.

As I mentioned in the episode, I’ve been listening to Buzz since I was a tween, so it’s pretty surreal that I’m now interviewing him on my show! But a lot has changed in his life since those days at Z95.3 in Vancouver. On top of doing radio across the country, he also has two boys and founded DadCamp, a community and website that’s focused on getting dads together to learn from each other, bond and create a discussion surrounding the role of fathers today.

Since Buzz is already a successful media personality, DadCamp isn’t something he created to just earn more money on the side. He wanted to create it as way to help give back. So, all of the money he earns from it, he flips to Diabetes Canada and Team Diabetes, two causes he’s very passionate about. Is Buzz the best?

Aside from talking about DadCamp, we dive into his perspective on money, how he manages his personal finances and invests it, and also how he teaches his kids about money. He learned a lot from his dad, so he wants to make sure he does the same to his two boys. And he teaches them by weaving it seamlessly into regular conversations. Making it a natural topic of discussion is key, as well as being open to answering questions.

He also empowers his kids by giving them work to do on his blog so they can earn money. I think this is a great way to teach kids about saving, budgeting and earning money in a very practical and hands-on way. Kids learn best by doing, so I have a feeling his kids will be experts by the time they reach their 20s.

Learn More About Buzz Bishop

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Dec 8, 2017

For my 4th Millennial Money Meetup (and my last one for 2017), I hosted the event once again in downtown Toronto selling out tickets in only a few weeks to 50 attendees. This event was sponsored by Manulife Bank (thank you for making this event possible during Financial Literacy Month) and featured the special guest Lisa Zamparo, a CPA and financial strategist. The theme for this event was debt and responsible credit card use, just in time for the holidays. This is the live recording of Lisa and I's discussion on the subject as well as audience Q&A.

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Dec 7, 2017

For my season ending solo episode, I share my thoughts on making it to the one-year mark of entrepreneurship, what I’ve been up to & how I’ve grown these past 12 months

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To wrap up Season 5 of the Mo’ Money Podcast, I thought it would be a good opportunity to do another solo episode to share my reflection of the past year.

A ton has happened these past 12 months, so much so that even though I spewed my guts for 40 minutes in this episode, there was still so much I didn’t share. But I think my overall sentiments on the year got across.

To think back to where I was this time last year, honestly, it’s like night and day. This time last year I was stressed, burnt out, and frustrated. My life was going in a direction I didn’t like, and I knew the only way to get back on a path that felt right, I needed to make a drastic change.

Even though I thought I was prepared before quitting my job to work for myself, looking back I really was taking a huge risk. I didn’t have a business plan, I just had some ideas on how I’d make a living based on how I earned money with my side hustle (being my blog and podcast).

Throughout the year, I fleshed things out a bit more, got more focused (sort of), and now have 10 different streams of income. I definitely want to focus things more in 2018, pair down those streams of income to maybe 5, and increase my business revenue to 6-figures.

And two big ways I hope to accomplish this is by ramping up marketing and promotion of the Rich & Fit Bootcamp and launching my financial counselling practice.

Lots to look forward to in 2018, but before the New Year starts I’m just thankful of how 2017 went. I’m proud that I stayed strong, worked hard and proved to myself (any all the nay-sayers) that I could do this on my own.

Here’s to a New Year and endless possibilities!

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Dec 6, 2017

Don't think of want to earn more money as being greedy. Think of it as a way to help you help others. I talk about the idea that it's okay to be "money hungry" with the goal of being able to serve others and live your best life with blogger and podcaster Michelle Jackson of Michelle Is Money Hungry in this last podcast interview episode for Season 5 of the Mo' Money Podcast.

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Before I recorded this episode, I’d only met Michelle Jackson from Michelle Is Money Hungry a few time at past FinCon conferences. But the few times we did meet, we immediately hit it off. Michelle just has a special energy and light that I couldn’t forget, and because she is all about earning money these days, and that’s what the theme for this season has been about, I knew she would make the perfect guest for my last interview for Season 5 of the show.

The reason I gave this episode the title “Making Life Changing Money” is because it’s one of the things Michelle mentioned at the start of this episode that I couldn’t stop thinking about. It’s just such a great way to express how I also view earning more money. I don’t want to earn more just so I can buy more stuff. I want to earn more so I can do more stuff, including continue to create free content like my blog, podcast and YouTube videos that aim to promote financial literacy. I want to earn more so I can live a life that is full and financially secure. I want to earn more so I can take care of me and my family, but also others who need my help too.

And that’s exactly how Michelle lives her life as a new entrepreneur. She wants to earn more so she can live her best life, but also so she can afford to help others live their best lives too. Throughout this season, I interviewed a lot of guests on how to earn more, but I think this final episode is a great way to cap things off by focusing on the why.

Make sure to check out Michelle’s website and feel free to reach out to her at

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Nov 30, 2017

I talk with Jesse Gernigin from LiveGoldRich about how we went from comedic hypnotist to freelance copywriter, how he learned to ask for his worth and how he budgets with a variable income.

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For this episode, I chat with Jesse Gernigin from LiveGoldRich and the founder of the Freelancer Success Summit.

He has a really interesting perspective on freelancing because he calls himself a bit of a serial entrepreneur. He started out as an entertainer, a comedic hypnotist to be specific, and then started a few other businesses after that, and eventually became a full-time freelance copywriter which now earns him a comfortable living.

In my experience, I’ve found that when people think of freelancers, they think of people who are always trying to drum up business, are undercutting other freelancers to win clients, and are always struggling a bit financially.

I have no idea where this perception comes from, but it’s something I used to believe before I started my side hustle and eventually became self-employed.

Well, after talking to Jesse, that doesn’t have to be the case. Sure, it may start out that way at the beginning of your freelance career, but you can build upon your experience and eventually reach a level where you can ask for higher rates and pick and choose which clients you want to work for.

And that’s a message Jesse really wants to share, which is why he created the Freelancer Success Summit. To interview and share the stories of other freelancers from all experience levels and disciplines.

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Nov 29, 2017

Retiring early isn't just for the privileged and doesn't have to be a daydream you refer at your 9 to 5 grind. You can actually retire if you have a plan to get you there, and Tanja from Our Next Life shares how her and her husband were able to do it.

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Ever since I connected with Tanja from Our Next Life about a year ago, I was waiting for the opportunity to have her on my show. But for most of the year she was an anonymous blogger. You see, she was waiting to reveal herself until she was able to hand in her notice at her job so her and her husband could retire early.

Well, she’s handed in her notice and is set to officially retire early this January. I know, I know, this sounds like a dream most of us have had while putting in those long hours at our day jobs. But what’s awesome about my interview with Tanja is she discusses how her and her husband were able to do it. And they didn’t go to any extremes to reach their goal. They didn’t sell all their things or sacrifice their present happiness and comfort to reach tomorrow’s goal of financial independence.

Besides sharing the steps she took to be able to retire early (in her 30s!), she also shares the book that inspired her to take this journey. It’s called How to Retire Early by Robert & Robin Charlton, and it’s a book she highly recommends if anyone wants to learn more about how to make a solid plan to retire early.

I know I’m definitely going to check it out, because achieving F.I.R.E. is definitely one of my new crazy big life goals! And if Tanja can do it, really anyone can do it!

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Nov 23, 2017

Are you getting the most out of your credit cards? It might be time to take a good look at them and check to see if they are really the best on the market. Just take it from Stephen Weyman, blogger at and founder of who knows how to optimize your credit cards, get free trips using points and figuring out a great formula to see which cards need to be ditched and which cards you should consider replacing them with.

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If you’re curious how to get the most out of your credit cards, what the deal is with credit card churning, and how to protect and improve your credit score, this is the episode for you.

I talk to Stephen Weyman, the blogger behind How to Save Money and the founder of the new credit card comparison site, all about credit cards and he definitely proves that he has a wealth of knowledge on the subject.

The fact that he was inspired to develop Credit Card Genius because he had a massive Excel spreadsheet of data on credit cards already just goes to show how passionate he is about credit cards. And I’m so glad because I feel like even though most of us use credit cards, a lot of us still don’t know some very important things about them.

Credit cards can be great to earn points and cash back, and they have a number of other benefits too. But, that’s only if you use them responsibly. If used irresponsibly, they can have some not so good outcomes like consumer debt, a low credit score and even bankruptcy. So, the best way to make sure you use them the right way is to be well-informed and I hope this episode succeeds in helping you get there.

Nov 22, 2017

What's your money mindset and how does it affect how you perceive building wealth? I chat with Kelley Keehn about this and more in this episode.

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Personal finance expert and author Kelley Keehn chatted with me for this fabulous episode of the podcast, and I couldn’t be happier! I love that her mission is to make people feel good about money! Just like she said in our episode, when people feel good about their money, they are better people and thrive in other areas of their lives.

I wholeheartedly agree. When you feel confident in your finances, you feel confident in your life. You start making better and longer-term decisions, instead of decisions based on survival or the immediate future.

We also go a bit deeper in our interview and talk about the different money mindsets people have. Like how they can either help you build wealth and live a life you want, or they can impede you from experiencing your full potential.

I know that my money mindset has evolved over the years, and that’s the amazing thing too. Just because you have say a scarcity mindset, doesn’t mean you can flip the switch into an abundance mindset. Everything is changeable and fixable, you just have to be self-aware and start making small changes to make a big change in the end.

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Nov 16, 2017

I chat with podcast listener Alexis Kienlen about how she empowered herself by ending the mystery banking cycle & teaching herself about money management.

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This is why I love when podcast listeners reach out to me to be part of my Listener Series. Because sometimes they end with me saying that it felt like chatting with a friend I hadn’t talked to in a while. My listeners are amazing!

Anywho, this interview is particularly timely as November is Financial Literacy Month and my guest Alexis Kienlen shared how learning about personal finance changed her life for the better.

Like many millennials, she graduated hoping to follow her dreams and become a journalist. But, things have changed and it’s not as easy to earn a living and work in journalism. Realizing that she didn’t want to be broke anymore, she started reading blogs, listening to podcasts, reading The Globe and Mail and even reading Personal Finance for Dummies.

Now, she feels so much more in control of her life and her future, and it all came down to taking the time to educate herself so she could start making informed decisions.

Way to go Alexis, I can’t wait to see where you end up in the next few years (hopefully a published author and new homeowner!).

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Nov 15, 2017

Is it possible to earn money on your investments without sacrificing your ethics? Tim Nash, investing coach and the blogger behind The Sustainable Economist explains why yes, you can!

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As I mentioned in the episode, I first got to know Tim Nash (a.k.a. The Sustainable Economist) back in the spring when he invited me to his Good Investment Fair.

So when I went to the fair, it really did open my eyes to a whole new world of investing. You don’t just have to buy funds that you think will perform well, you can do that and stay true to your values. And if Tim can help a couple create a totally vegan investing portfolio, then anyone can create a portfolio that speaks to them and what they stand for.

I definitely know that I’m going to have to take a good look at my portfolios and see if there’s anything in there I don’t feel good about. Luckily, more and more robo-advisors are starting to offer portfolios that are more eco-friendly and socially responsible, so that’s definitely a sign that Tim is certainly onto something that will become more popular in years to come.

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Nov 10, 2017

At FinCon 2017, I had the pleasure of sitting down with my three of my favourite Canadian personal finance bloggers: Desirae Odjick from Half Banked, Andrew Daniel from Family Money Plan and Bob Lai from Tawcan.

This episode was recorded live on the last day of the conference, and has us chatting about their experience at the conference and what takeaways they'll be leaving with, their thoughts on blogging and everything in between.

Nov 9, 2017

For this Listener Series episode, I chat with Tracy Ma about how built her real estate empire despite her coming from humble beginnings.

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I love these Listener Series episodes, because I get to chat with super inspirational podcast listeners like Tracy Ma who has built a stellar real estate portfolio over the past decade (and is sharing how the heck she did it).

First off, I love Tracy’s story because she is evidence that you do not need to come from money to get into the real estate game. As she put it, she had a fairly rough upbringing. Her family was poor, so she knew that in order to change her financial situation, she’d need to work hard and be strategic in terms making her money grow.

She was eventually led to real estate investing, and now owns a number of properties in Canada earning her passive income.

That all being said, she does caution anyone listening that real estate investing isn’t for everyone. There is a ton of risk involved, it can be very time consuming and you really do need to know what you’re doing.

Luckily, she blogs about her journey and what she’s learned on her own blog Financial Nirvana Mama.

Thanks so much Tracy for chatting with me for this episode, it was a pleasure!

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Nov 8, 2017

He wasn’t fulfilled in his life or career, so instead of complaining and wishing he had better luck, John Lee Dumas did something about it…which turned into a multi-million dollar a year business now known around the world as Entrepreneurs on Fire.

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This is a pretty big moment for me because ever since I started the Mo’ Money Podcast back in June 2015, John Lee Dumas was one guess I aspired to get on my show.

Fast-forward 2 years and over 100 episodes and I got him!

So, why did I want to get him on the show so badly? Because he was actually one of the inspirations for me starting my podcast. When I got the idea to start a podcast, I immediately starting researching online and fairly quickly he popped up. He had (and still has) a very successful podcast called Entrepreneurs on Fire, and he also had a free course on how to start a podcast. I took the course and it really helped me start things off on the right foot. Honestly, if I hadn’t taken his free course, I know I would have made all the rookie mistakes and would have taken even longer to propel my podcast into what it is today.

For my interview with him, I just wanted to dive deep into what we was about, how he got to be so successful as a completely online entrepreneur (he now lives and runs his business from Puerto Rico). I also wanted to know how he does all the things he does and stays sane and grounded. And of course, he has a stellar morning ritual to start of his days right, something I know I need to start implementing myself.

This episode isn’t really about personal finance, but I wanted to share it because John is seriously such an inspiration to me. He’s a hustler, he’s a risk-taker, and he’s proof that if you feel unfulfilled and unhappy in your life, you can absolutely change course at anytime (it’s never too late!).

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Nov 2, 2017

If you want to avoid 5-figures in student debt by going to university, ever considered going to a trade school instead? I talk with Sylvia about how she went the nontraditional route for her career and why it was the best decision she could have ever made.

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The stats on student debt in Canada and the US are staggering. More and more young people are graduating with degrees in hand and 5-figures in debt to pay off. And sometimes that debt-burden will take them decades to pay off.

Here’s the thing…going to university and sticking with the traditional route of getting a degree to start your career isn’t the only way. For this Listener Series episode, I talk with Sylvia Bourgeois about her decision to not go to university but go to a trade school instead.

Instead of spending 4 years earning a degree with a boatload of debt to pay off after (not to mention grim job prospects), she was able to graduate her technical school debt-free, find a job soon after and start earning a decent income that would help her buy a home in Vancouver and eventually start her own contracting business.

The biggest message in this episode is that there’s no one way to do things. You don’t have to go to university, work in an office and climb your way up the ladder to be successful in your career. Moreover, if you’re a woman, you don’t have to pigeon-hole yourself into certain sectors or industries.

I’m ashamed to say that I never even considered a career in the trades because I didn’t think many women worked in that industry. Sylvia certainly proved that wrong, and wants to encourage more women to explore different career paths, even if they aren’t the popular or traditional choice.

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